Friday, February 11, 2022

The James Webb telescope will pull more light out of the distant darkness

 


We have a  powerful n ew technological instrument. to probe the darkness .

The James Webb telescope represents a quantum leap in man's exploration of the universe!

James Webb telescope. will advance into the black unknown giving us knowledge of the first and furthest galaxies..

What James Web b will reveal will open a new era in man's. understanding of the universe.


Webb  has vision in the infrared ....whereas Hubble could only see in the visible light part of the electromagnetic radiation  spectrum.

We need telescopes to scan the universe at all the wavelenghts of the electromagnetic radiation spectrum.


Checking the Web, it appears that Hubble was able to see objects about 400 million years after BB, whereas Webb is supposed to see objects as they appeared 250 million to 100 million years after Big Bang. 

Assuming the Big Bang occurred 13.7 billion years ago, .Jame s Webbwill get uus to within 13.6 billion years of the BB begining of the universse..

What are the limitations wch prevent us from seeing all the way back to the Big Bang event itself?

How to see light or    electromagnetic radiation that origiinated from its source greater than   13.6   billion years ago?

We may not be able to see all the way back to the Big Bang beginning (there may not be anything to see past  a critical. threshold horizon  ), but we may be able to see back to the time when the first stars appeared and agregated into ga!laxies. Perhaps there were no point sources of electrmagnetic radiation before stars appeared.                                                          

At first there was just hot plasma made of quarks,.These then aggregated into hydrogen and helium atoms wch then under the influence of gravity aggregated into. stars and galaxies.



Lets hope it does not encounter any glitches wch would prevent it from fulfilling its mission 


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Thursday, February 10, 2022

Can nuclear fusion meet our energy needs?

The following is a ttransscription from CBCradio/the current (feb 10 2022) Scientists hail a step forward in harnessing nuclear fusion Guest: Dennis Whyte MG: Hi, I'm Matt Galloway, you're listening to The Current. SOUNDCLIP [Sound: Explosion] MG: It's not your radio acting up. The signal is fine. You're listening to nuclear fusion. The thing that powers the sun and the moon shot that could one day provide limitless clean energy. This week, scientists at the Joint European Tourist Lab announced a breakthrough. They created a mini star that burned for about five seconds, creating nuclear fusion a huge step forward. They're saying in that field. Dennis Whyte is the director of Plasma Science and Fusion Centre at MIT in Boston. Dennis. Good morning. DENNIS WHYTE: Good morning. MG: This has been kind of like a holy grail when it comes to power generation for a long time. The joke is that that fusion is just 30 years away, but people have been saying that for 30 years. We'll talk about what these scientists did, but why do you think this is being framed as such a step forward? DENNIS WHYTE: Right. So what the scientists did was recreate the conditions, which are very similar to those that occur in the centre of stars and our own sun. And when you achieve these very high temperatures, the hydrogen fuel which is contained within it, start to produce fusion reactions. And this produces energy. And of course, this has been, as you stated, the holy grail of the idea of this is to bring the power of the stars down to Earth and to be able to recreate those conditions in such a way that it makes a significant amount of energy. And so what our colleagues at the jet lab produced was a very exciting more than doubling of the previous record for energy output from from fusion reactions. So this is why we're excited. MG: So walk us through in language that we can understand what was happening in the machine that would produce that energy. DENNIS WHYTE: Right. So we cannot directly recreate the conditions of a star because it takes something as large as a star. So on Earth. What we do is we create a containment system made with very strong magnetic fields. It's in the shape of a doughnut for four science reasons. So we create this magnetic cage, if you like, isolated from the the plasma fuel away from any terrestrial contact or heat it. And then the fusion reactions start to occur. And what the scientists did here in particular, was they were able to sustain those conditions for on the order of five to six seconds. And they were producing large amounts of fusion energy such that it was a record year, 60 million jewels of energy was created in around five to six seconds. MG: That is enough, we're told, to boil a 60 kettles of water. It may not sound like a lot, but why is that a big deal? DENNIS WHYTE: Yes. So the total amount of energy at this point is still, you know, not enough to obviously operate a standard commercial power plant. What was special about this is, of course, the fact that it was being done from fusion reactions and in the end, fusion is an energy source. So the more energy that you produce, the more viable it is becoming that it also has to do with the fact of how much how much energy was being produced per unit time, which is the power. And the fact that this was at around 10 million watts of power means that this is getting closer to the scales that you would imagine for a commercial uses of fusion, for example, that was directly converted into electricity that would be enough for about 10000 people. So you can see what that's significant. MG: So in some ways, this is proof of concept. DENNIS WHYTE: Yes. And so we've had our handle for for a while on the physical conditions needed and the science of what would make fusion reactions occur. Because also, the exciting thing about what's happened to the jet was that their improvement on the previous record came through innovations and improvements in the underlying technology, which are themselves going to be key to providing practical power plants. MG: Should we be concerned with how much energy the machine needs to put in in order to generate that energy? DENNIS WHYTE: Right, so right. So this is the next step in this. And so this is an extremely affirming aspect of the science of fusion and moving forward and using this particular figuration of the magnetic cage that we call a tokamak. The next step will be in fact, producing more energy than the heat, which is required to keep it hot. So right now, the the experiments suggest that they reported that while they were producing large amounts of fusion power, they're actually using more heat than than that fusion power to keep it hot. So the next step, which is coming in two experiments one of them here in Boston and one in the south of France will seek to in fact go past that threshold, which is which is which will be a key for net energy production and obviously for commercial fusion. MG: The thing with the holy grail is that it's very difficult to get your hands on the holy grail. Why has it been so difficult to harness this energy source? DENNIS WHYTE: Right. So first of all, was the need for a the science understanding of how you recreate the these extraordinary temperatures and in confinement on Earth. So this is non-trivial. This is these temperatures are on the order of 100 million degrees Celsius. So that was gained over decades of hard fought, you know, research around the world. And what this result shows is that it largely this the science is in hand. The other challenge has been the scale and the expense of creating these devices, which would be able to reproduce these conditions. This is also where there's very exciting news and is that around the world and including here in our own effort at MIT with ah, with a commercial start up, we have actually saltiness even advancing the technology such that the size, complexity and cost of the objects that are are required to recreate these conditions are decreasing. So it's sort of good news on both fronts. MG: What's the promise here? What is being tangled in front of us? DENNIS WHYTE: So what's been dangled in front of us is that the science of fusion a big because it uses a fuel which is effectively inexhaustible and available to everyone because it just comes out of water and it has a scalability which which looks like it could. If we meet the full science, technological and economic promise of fusion, it can literally supply the power demands of humanity forever. That's been the promise forever of a fusion. So it is you say this is this is the holy grail. It's been hard to grasp, but it seems to be getting closer. MG: How close is it? Again, I go back to the, you know, it's 30 years away for 30 years and 30 years before that. How far off is this, do you think? DENNIS WHYTE: Well, honestly, we I think we we stagnated for for a little while. One of the impetus of this now is that and why there's so many more efforts going on is about climate change and understanding. It can't just be forever away. We need to have a timeline such that it is appropriate for tackling this extremely difficult problem of decarbonising. So. So how close is this always the question that we get I. Our own effort here at MIT and with Commonwealth Fusion says that we believe we can get sooner if we if we come up with the right sets of strategies about coupling scientific and technological innovations. We bring the private sector in in more to it and earlier on for thinking about commercialisation. And honestly, the other part of it is to get incentives for the Canadian audience. More shots on goal, like get the shots on goal, have more attempts at this across the board, both in the public and in the private sector, then that that ecosystem will probably give us a much better chance of pulling fusion closer. So our hope is in, you know, in the next decade. And we have a very aggressive timescale and others think that it's more like, you know, 20 or 25 years away, but the whole world is pressing. The whole fusion research world is pressing to try to reduce the time scale because of the urgency of climate change. MG: This is before you in this world, we're just about out of time, but there is real excitement in this like this. This is this is the unravelling of an incredibly complex question. DENNIS WHYTE: Exactly. And so I started my fusion career started over 30 years ago as a graduate student in Canada. So I've seen a lot evolve and I have never personally been more excited for fusion, but also the 20 somethings that are coming in as our students to places like MIT have never been more motivated towards pursuing the solution. So it's really hard not to be excited by that. MG: The graduate work in Canada would perhaps explain the hockey analogy as well. Denis, great to talk to you about this. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. DENNIS WHYTE: Thank you. Thank you for your questions. MG: Dennis Whyte is the director of the Plasma Science and Fusion Centre at M.I.T., and we reached him in Boston. [*********** https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-s-project-reaches-major-milestone-toward-practical-fusion-power/ U.S. Project Reaches Major Milestone toward Practical Fusion Power In a world first, the National Ignition Facility has generated a “burning plasma,” a fusion reaction on the cusp of being self-sustaining By Philip Ball on February 2, 2022 U.S. Project Reaches Major Milestone toward Practical Fusion Power A metallic case called a hohlraum holds the fuel capsule for NIF experiments. Target handling systems precisely position the target and freeze it to cryogenic temperatures (18 kelvins, or -427 degrees Fahrenheit) so that a fusion reaction is more easily achieved. Credit: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0) Advertisement Nuclear fusion could potentially provide abundant, safe energy without the significant production of greenhouse gas emissions or nuclear waste. But it has remained frustratingly elusive as a practical technology for decades. An important milestone toward that goal has now been passed: a fusion reaction that derives most of its heat from its nuclear reactions themselves rather than the energy pumped into the fuel from outside. A team at the National Ignition Facility (NIF) at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) in California has reported this so-called burning plasma condition using an approach called inertial-confinement fusion, where the ferociously high temperatures and pressures needed to initiate fusion in a fuel of hydrogen isotopes are produced by intense pulses of laser light. The researchers’ findings appear in Nature, with companion papers published in Nature Physics and on the preprint repository arXiv.org. “The data clearly show that they have reached that condition,” says fusion physicist George Tynan of the University of California, San Diego, who was not involved in the work. “The NIF results are a really big deal,” says fusion physicist Peter Norreys of the University of Oxford, who was not part of the studies. “They show that the pursuit of an inertial fusion reactor is a realistic possibility for the future and not built upon difficult and insurmountable physics.” Plasma physicist Kate Lancaster of the University of York in England, who was also not involved in the research, agrees. “This is an incredible achievement, which is a culmination of a decade of careful, incremental research,” she says. Nuclear fusion, the process that fuels stars and that is triggered explosively in hydrogen bombs, requires extreme heat and pressure to give atoms enough energy to overcome the electrostatic repulsion between their positively charged nuclei so that they can fuse and release energy. The usual fuel for producing controlled fusion in reactors consists of a mix of the heavy hydrogen isotopes deuterium and tritium, which may unite to make helium. The energy this releases can be harnessed for electricity generation—for example, by using the heat to drive conventional power turbines. Unlike nuclear fission—the process used in all nuclear power plants today—fusion does not use or generate large quantities of long-lived radioactive materials. And in contrast to fission, fusion does not involve a chain reaction, which makes it inherently safer: any changes to the working conditions of a fusion reactor will cause it to automatically shut down in an instant. Fission’s advantage is that it typically occurs in reactors at temperatures of a little more than 1,000 kelvins, whereas deuterium-tritium (D-T) fusion starts at temperatures of around 100 million kelvins—hotter than the heart of the sun. Handling such a seething plasma is, to put it mildly, immensely challenging. One approach is to confine it with magnetic fields into a doughnut shape inside a chamber called a tokamak. This is the method of choice for many fusion projects, including the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER). for which a global collaboration is building a massive experimental reactor in France that is slated to achieve sustained fusion no earlier than 2035. Inertial fusion does not try to trap the plasma but instead relies on inertia alone to hold it together for a brief instant after fusion is triggered by an ultrafast compression of the fuel. That creates a very brief outburst of energy—a tiny thermonuclear explosion—before the burning fuel expands and dissipates its heat. “Fusion energy schemes based on inertial confinement involve repeating the pulsed process over and over again, much like the pistons in an internal combustion engine, firing several times per second to give nearly continuous power,” says Omar Hurricane of LLNL, chief scientist for the NIF’s Inertial Confinement Fusion program, who was a team leader for the latest experiments. Although inertial-confinement fusion does not have to solve the problem of maintaining a hot, wobbly plasma inside a tokamak, it does require tremendous inputs of energy to trigger the fusion process. The NIF team used 192 high-power lasers, all focused into a chamber called a hohlraum that is about the size and shape of a pencil’s eraser and contains the fuel capsule of deuterium and tritium. The laser energy heats and vaporizes the capsule’s outer layer, blowing it away and creating a recoil that compresses and heats the fuel in the center. In the NIF method, the laser beams do not directly spark detonation but instead strike the hohlraum’s inner surface, unleashing a furious bath of capsule-compressing x-rays within the tiny chamber. Researchers demonstrated the feasibility of starting fusion this way back in the 1970s. But getting to the burning-plasma point has been a slow process, full of technical hurdles and setbacks. “For many decades, researchers have been able to get reactions to occur by using a lot of external heating to get the plasma hot,” says Alex Zylstra of LLNL, a member of the NIF team. “In a burning plasma, which we have now created for the first time, the fusion reactions themselves provide most of the heating.” Those conditions last only for about 100 trillionths of a second before the plasma’s energy is dissipated. “There was no one secret that allowed them to make this breakthrough but a whole bunch of smaller advances,” Tynan says. To have any hope of getting the fusion process to sustain itself, the energy it produces should be deposited mostly in adjacent fuel layers rather than leaking from the capsule to heat the surroundings. This means that the capsule has to be sufficiently large and dense to keep the energy inside while still collapsing symmetrically—which is one of the issues the NIF team has cracked. The researchers have also tweaked the hohlraum’s design to ensure its interior uniformly fills with x-rays, ultimately creating a smoother, stronger and more efficient implosion of the fuel capsule. “We had to learn how to better control the symmetry while making the implosion bigger,” Hurricane says. Such improvements have required decades of effort. “It’s been a very long trial-and-error process, guided by computations,” Tynan says. Of the experimental runs that the NIF researchers have reported, four conducted in 2020 and early 2021 exceeded the threshold fusion output for a burning plasma. The most recent of these were in February 2021, so “it clearly took some time for them to convince colleagues of the validity of their results,” says Vladimir Tikhonchuk, a plasma physicist at the University of Bordeaux in France, who was not involved with the work. But they have evidently done so. “I truly believe publication of these papers is an important scientific event,” Tikhonchuk adds. Making fusion viable requires more than merely burning plasma, however. For one thing, although the plasma is self-heating, it might still radiate more heat than it generates, including the energy lost when the implosion blows itself apart after reaching peak compression. “Even if you have burning, the reaction fizzles out if the radiative losses are too high,” Tynan says. But the NIF team notes that, in one of its runs, the heating exceeded such losses. newsletter promo Sign up for Scientific American’s free newsletters. Sign Up That brings the scientists closer to the next big goal: ignition, where the net energy release from the fusion reaction exceeds the energy injected to produce it. On average, they can produce about 0.17 megajoule of fusion energy for an input laser energy of 1.9 megajoules. In other words, these NIF shots channel the energetic equivalent of a half-kilogram of exploding TNT into the tiny hohlraum only to get about 10 times less energy out. But that is still close enough to the break-even point to get fusion researchers fired up. “They are right on the threshold of achieving a propagating ignition burn,” Tynan says. Lancaster is optimistic about that. “We are now in a regime where modest improvements can create massive gains in output energy,” she says. “We have definitely moved from an ‘if’ to a ‘when’ for ignition.” Even achieving ignition would be just the end of the beginning for fusion. For one thing, net energy gain must not only be demonstrated but also improved to compensate for inefficiencies in converting the heat into electricity. Better methods must also be developed for on-site production and handling of tritium to use as fuel. And in the specific case of inertial-confinement fusion, the exquisitely designed fuel capsules must somehow be made in abundance—and on the cheap. “Right now they cost $1 million and are custom pieces of kit made in the lab,” Tynan says. But for any inertial fusion power plant to turn a profit, “you have to be able to make hundreds of thousands of them a day at 10 cents a piece.” And these spectacular results for burning plasma in inertial confinement “do not really translate to tokamaks” at all, Hurricane warns. “People working in this domain understand very well that there is a large gap between the [eventual] demonstration of ignition and a commercial fusion reactor,” Tikhonchuk says. That gap certainly will not be closed at NIF, which is geared toward exploring the basic physics of fusion, especially in the context of nuclear stockpile management and national security. “We do not yet have lasers of a needed energy and power operating with a repetition rate of a few shots per second,” Tikhonchuk adds—although Lancaster says that these “are well on the way, with big programs in the U.K., the U.S., France and Germany, for example.” “Now that NIF has demonstrated that [burning plasma conditions] can be done in a controlled laboratory setting,” Norreys says, solutions to the remaining challenges “need to be studied in the coming years with renewed vigor.” “The challenge is [pivoting] from ‘Is the physics even possible?’ to ‘Can we engineer a viable system that has sufficient lifetime and that is safe enough and do all those things at an affordable price?’” Tynan says. “That’s still the big open question in front of the research community.”

Sunday, November 7, 2021

Greata Thunbervg speaks truth to power

 

Greta Thunberg’s full speech at Glasgow COP26 rally

Glasgow 5 Nov 2021 – It’s not a secret COP26 is a failure. It should be obvious that we cannot solve a crisis with the same methods that got us into it in the first place. More and more people are starting to realise this, more and more people are starting to ask themselves what will it take for the people in power to weak up. But let’s be clear, they are already awake, they know exactly what they are doing, they know exactly what priceless values they are sacrificing to maintain business as usual.

The leaders are doing nothing, they are actively creating loopholes and shaping frameworks to benefit themselves, and to continue poverty from this disruptive system, this is an active choice from the leaders to continue to let the exploitation of people and nature and the destruction of present and future living conditions to take place.

The COP has turned into a PR event with people giving beautiful speeches and announcements of fancy commitments and targets, while behind the curtains the governments of the global north countries are still refusing to take any drastic kind of action. It seems like their main goal is to continue to fight for the status quo. This COp26 has been named the most exclusionary ever, this is no longer the climate conference, this is now the global north greenwash festival, a two week long celebration of business as usual and bla bla bla.

The most affected people in the most affected areas still remain unheard and the voices of future generations are drowning in their greenwash, empty words and promises, but the facts they don’t lie and we know that our emperors are naked.

To stay below the target set in the Paris agreement, and minimising the risk of setting off the irreversible chain reaction beyond human control, we need immediate drastic annual emission cuts unlike anything the world has never seen and as we don’t have the technological solutions that alone would go anything even close to that, means we will have to fundamentally change our society and this is the uncomfortable result of our leaders repeated failure to address this crisis.

At the current emissions rates our remaining CO2 budget giving us the best chances to remain below 1.5 C will be gone within the end of this decade and the climate and ecological crisis, of course, doesn’t exist in a vacuum, but it is directly tighten to other crises and injustices that date back to colonialism and beyond; crises based on the idea that some people are worth more than others and therefore have the right to steal from others, to exploit others, and steal their land and resources; and it is very naive of us to think that we can solve this crisis without addressing the root causes of it. but this is not going to be spoken about inside the COP , its just too uncomfortable, it’s much easier for them to simply ignore their historical debt that the countries of the north have towards the most affected people and areas.

And the question now must to ask ourselves now is what we are fighting for: are we fighting to save ourselves and the living planet or we are fighting to maintain business as usual? Our leaders say we can have both, but the harsh truth is that this is not possible in practice, The people in power can continue to live in their bubble fuelled with their fantasies like eternal growth on a fine air planet and technological solutions that will suddenly appear seemingly out of nowhere and erase all of this crises, just like that…

All this one world is literally burning on fire and while people living on the frontlines are still bearing the brunt of the climate crisis, they can continue to ignore the consequences of their inaction, but history will judge them poorly and we will not accept it. We don’t need anymore distant, non binding pledges, we don’t need anymore empty promises, we don’t need anymore commitments of fool and loopholes, incomplete statistics that ignore historical emissions and climate justice. Yet that is all we’re getting, and I know that is not radical to say, but just look at their track record they had 26 Cops, they had decades of bla bla bla and where has that led us?

Over 50% of all our CO2 emissions have occurred since 1990 and about a third since 2005. All this, what the media is reporting is what the people in power say they are gonna do rather what they actually do. Time and time again the media fail to hold the people in power responsible for their action and inaction, as they continue to expand fossil fuel infrastructure, opening up new coal mines coal power plants, granting new oil licences and still refusing to do even the bare minimum like delivering on the long promised climate finances for loss and damages to the most vulnerable and less responsible countries. This is shameful.

Some people say we are being too radical, but the truth is that they are the ones who are radical. Fighting to save our life-support systems isn’t radical at all, believing that our civilisation as we know it can survive at 2.7 degrees with 3 degree hotter world on the other hand it is not only extremely radical, it’s pure madness. Out here we speak the truth, the people in power are obviously scared of the truth, yet no matter how hard they try, they cannot escape from it, they cannot ignore the scientific consensus and, above all, they cannot ignore us, the people, including their own children, they cannot ignore our scream as we reclaim our power. We are tired of their bla bla bla. Our leaders are not leading; this is what leadership looks like.



Thursday, November 4, 2021

Canada has 'one eye shut' when it comes to climate policy





 https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-429-what-on-earth/clip/15873948-encore-canadas-climate-strategy-oil-gas-problem



As Canada strengthens its Paris Agreement targets, critics point to the elephant in the room — oil and gas expansion. We revisit an earlier episode and hear why Canada has 'one eye shut' when it comes to climate policy and what might be a first step toward a solution.

Aired: Oct. 24, 2021

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https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-oct-25-2021-1.6223730

As world leaders prepare to gather in Glasgow for the 2021 United Nations Climate Change Conference, leaked documents show some governments tried to water down a recent UN science panel report on global warming. Activists say that behind-the-scenes lobbying undermines those governments' public commitments to change, and it could hinder efforts in Glasgow. Matt Galloway talks to Simon Lewis, a professor in global change science at University College London; and Severn Cullis-Suzuki, the executive director of the David Suzuki Foundation.

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LIsten to Tim Gore interview:


https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/fighting-climate-change-wealthy-donors-1.6239230

 




Solving the climate crisis should not depend on the charity of billionaires. Governments need to set up proper taxation systems to make sure people like Bezos and companies like Amazon pay their fair share.

Amazon paid no federal income tax in 2018 even though it made more than $11 billion in profits. Bezos personally uses tax loopholes to pay himself through low interest loans against his Amazon stock. Debt isn't taxed, so Bezos lives largely tax free, even though he's one of the richest men in the history of the world.

World's wealthiest are top carbon emitters:


Friday, October 15, 2021

This "mensch" deserves a leadership role at a higher level!

 Long-time Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi is in the final days of his 11 years leading the city. He reflects on his time in office, political and pandemic division, and what it means to serve in a country like Canada.

Aired: Oct. 15, 2021

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-63-the-current/clip/15872302-calgary-mayor-naheed-nenshi-11-years-office-means

Friday, July 16, 2021

Occupy Wall Street-----ten years later

 

FOA: Occupy Ten Years 
Ten years ago this week, Adbusters put out a call for a peaceful occupation of Wall Street. Tonight, we revisit a conversation with the magazine's co-founder about the movement's staying power.


FOA: Occupy Ten Years

CH: The idea was simple. And -- for good measure -- it was alliterative: to "seize a square of singular symbolic significance." It came from Adbusters Magazine co-founder Kalle Lasn. In a blog post published ten years ago this week, he advocated that Americans take their cues from the occupation of Tahrir Square by Egyptian protesters -- and stage their own occupation of Wall Street. He called the district "the financial Gomorrah of America". And thousands of New Yorkers clearly saw it that way too -- turning up just a few months later with tents and camp stoves in the city's Zuccotti Park. That historic takeover of public space put the one percent on notice, and sparked a global movement. But by November, 2011, naysayers were already predicting its demise. Kalle Lasn spoke with Carol on "As It Happens" at the time.

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CAROL OFF: Mr. Lasn, since the Occupy Wall Street movement started, people have speculated as to when it will shut down, expecting it to do so any time. Instead, of course, as you know, it has spread. Why do you think that is?

KALLE LASN: Well, I don't think it's about to... to shut down anytime soon. I have a feeling that it's... it's done something quite miraculous over the last five weeks or so, it has launched a national conversation in the United States. It's creeping across into Canada now. And I think we've got the whole world talking about it. We’ve captured the imagination of the whole world. And I think now that winter is approaching, I can see this first wild, messy, crazy occupation phase kind of slowly winding down and the second phase will begin. And I think that the interesting times are still ahead.

CO: What do you think is the second phase?

KL: Well, it's hard to say, you know, movements or revolutions, they have their own dynamic and... and they're full of surprises. But... but I believe that the young people today that the core impulse behind this movement is this feeling that so many young people around the world have, which is that the future does not compute, that their future lives are full of ecological and political and financial crisis, that they won't be able to pay off student loans and they will have to live in a very hot planet down the road. And... and politically, they'll have to put up with systems that are corrupted by money. And young people realize that unless they stand up and start fighting for a different kind of a future, they're not going to have a future. And I think this is the second phase. The second phase will be people, you know, some people will continue to sleep in the... in the parks and, you know, sleep in the snow and inspire all of us. But in the meantime, many of us will go home and we will resurface next spring and we will start fighting for Robin Hood taxes. And in the United States, they'll... they'll fight for the reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall Act and will try to ban high-frequency flash trading and... and basically will try to get that money out of... out of our political systems and start creating a new model of democracy that actually is exciting. And... and I predict down the road, you know, there'll be third parties in America evolving, you know, and that America will get beyond this kind of a Pepsi Cola, Coca-Cola, kind of a political system they've had there for a long time. And a third party will rise up and... and dare I say it, I think in Canada as well. I think there's a real potential that, you know, elements of the NDP, elements of the Liberals, elements of the... the Green Party will suddenly coalesce somehow. And this new excitement, young energy, will come in there and we will come up, you know, with a highly energised political system here in Canada instead of this boring, absolutely deadly boring thing that we've had for so many years now.

CO: That's a very, very large vision. [laughing]

KL: Yeah, well, it's you know, permit me for being grandiose for the moment, but I think I can feel it. I can feel this movement is the beginning of a deep transformation of capitalism. It's a game-changer. And down the road, you know, we're going to do things.

CO: But, you know, just wasn't that many years ago you were giving talks, speeches, talking about how you thought that humanity as an experiment had hit a wall, and you had a despairing picture.

KL: Yes.

CO: What do you think the factors are? I mean, there's so many things that contributed to this. The Arab Spring, the... Warren Buffett, perhaps a bit of that, the despair of Americans.

KL: Yeah.

CO: Why... why have you become so inspired by what you see and not despairing of it?

KL: Well, out of despair, revolutions are born. And yeah, for many years, I had a feeling that... that humanity was hitting the walls, that this very dark black hole future we were looking at was actually going to happen. But... but, you know, this movement has given me hope. And I think there's a new magic there, a new mystique. And I believe that... that these young people that are sleeping in parks all around the world and... and eventually in further phases of this movement, I think this movement has the potential to... to... to grow into something that is... that is truly sort of significant and possibly even historic.

CO: The mainstream media initially dismissed this movement. And now we're seeing increasingly that the media, including business media, trying to understand. And I actually include us in that, the CBC, as we try to understand. Do you think we're getting close? Do you think that we are covering this with an understanding of what's really behind it?

KL:I don't think so. I don't think you're even close. I think that this dimension that I'm trying to introduce right now, [chuckling] this idea that this could be a very significant movement, that... that's a game-changer and that we're going for a deep down systemic change, not just nationally, but internationally, and that we want to have a Tahrir moment, not just in America and not just in Canada, but we want to have a global Tahrir moment that we're actually going for a new model of democracy and a deep transformation of the current global system, where, you know, that has one-point-three trillion dollars a day of derivatives and credit default swaps and all kinds of financial instruments sloshing around the system, and which is 50 times more than the actual commercial transactions. That means something. So we're looking at a global economy that is fundamentally corrupt. It's basically run by a bunch of fat cats and financial speculators who make money off money off money ad nauseum. And... and then the whole whole scene is just like a Las Vegas kind of a global casino. And... and this has to change. And this is the sort of fundamental deep down change that we want to pull off. We want to dismantle the global casino. For one thing.

CO: Mr. Lasn, you are an inspiration.

KL: [chuckle] I'm so glad to hear that!

CO: It's good to talk to you.

KL: Adios for now. Bye.

CO: Bye-bye.