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Transcript from August 28,2025 The Current:
I was at our primary health care facility a few weeks ago, and I was speaking to a mother who obviously had a child that was malnourished, and she had difficulty breastfeeding that child. And when I approached her to talk with her, she tells me she lives in perpetual shock all of the time because she's afraid she may lose her baby the very next second, right? She cannot sleep at night because she feels if she sleeps away, that baby may not wake up the next day. So she's in that perpetual state of living in shock, and this can be mentally traumatizing for any mother to see her child and not be able to help the child.
SB: If Hamas were to release the hostages and Israel were to stop the war, how would your work change on the ground?
JOEL ONYEKE: Well, when there is no impediment to access, when we're able to effectively bring in all the aids that we're supposed to bring into Gaza to support affected people, then I think we will see more significant improvements to the context on the ground. And that's why Save the Children and other international NGOs have continued to call for a definitive ceasefire in place and all access impediment to humanitarian aid removed for us to be able to effectively and adequately distribute aid to people so that we can see that effect that we, you know, we continue to desire to see on the ground from the services we’re providing. We need as much life saving, you know, goods into Gaza as much as possible, and it has to be immediately.
SB: Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us today.
JOEL ONYEKE: Thank you. It's a pleasure.
SB: Joel Onyeke is the Gaza head of operations for Save the Children. We reached him in Deir Al Balah, Gaza. The CBC’s senior international correspondent, Margaret Evans, joins us now from Jerusalem. Margaret, we've just heard from Save the Children. The UN's hunger watchdog has assessed half a million people in Gaza are suffering from famine. What's been the reaction inside Israel? What have we heard from the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu?
MARGARET EVANS: Well, not surprisingly, Susan, he has dismissed it as a lie. He's basically used the word, I think he called it a modern blood libel. And based on what he called Hamas influence or propaganda adopted by aid agencies, aid agencies, he said Israel does not have a policy of starvation, that Israel has what he called a policy of preventing starvation. Critics, of course, point out that's not consistent with Israel's decision in March. If you remember back in March when they reimposed a complete blockade on Gaza. He also said that the, that the UN's IPC report didn't take Israel's humanitarian efforts into account. And that's presumably a reference to these aid distribution points, which are set up by something called the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which is a US backed Israeli operation that's been widely criticized as being dangerous for people to get to. We've had a lot of chaotic scenes there, people being shot, the Israelis saying they're firing warning shots. So I think, you know, aid agencies are pushing back on the denial and basically saying, you know, if you listen to what they're saying on the ground and what they're seeing, that this is irrefutable and that the IPC is actually very technical, it's a very technical confirmation that they make when they actually decide that that famine is present.
SB: And this week, five more journalists have been killed in Gaza by an IDF airstrike. What's been the fallout from that?
MARGARET EVANS: Well, widespread condemnation internationally, shock, I think. The Israel Defence Forces, or IDF, basically released an initial report that raised more questions than it's answered so far. It said the target of the strike on a hospital was a Hamas camera that it said was tracking Israeli soldiers. Now, the hospital in question is a place where journalists regularly place themselves on the staircases up to the upper levels to take pictures of what was going on down below. And Hussam al-Masri was the Reuters journalist who was broadcasting a live feed from the staircase when the first missile strike, because there was a second one. It was what they called a double attack, or they call it a double tap, which is when there's an initial strike, and then when others come to aid the victims of the first strike, they too are killed or hurt injured in the attack. That's when the other journalists and aid workers were killed. It's increased the allegations that many groups concerned with the protection of journalists have made, that Israel is deliberately targeting journalists. And it came a couple of weeks after four journalists were killed in a targeted attack on the tent they were working in and the death there of the correspondent, Al Jazeera correspondent Anas Al-Sharif. The Committee to Protect Journalists had actually lodged concern about Israel and the comments they were making about Al-Sharif. They had basically accused him of being a Hamas operative. And the Committee to Protect Journalists in New York said Israel has a documented pattern of accusing journalists as being terrorists without providing credible proof. So it's, you know, obviously, our colleagues in Gaza City particularly concerned, and they've been calling for more protection.
SB: And international journalists such as yourself are not allowed into Gaza. They are banned. And so the importance of these local journalists is critical at this time. CBC works with one videographer. Talk a little bit about how important the local journalists in Gaza are to getting the story out.
MARGARET EVANS: Well, basically, they are the only eyes and ears that we have as journalists having to cover the conflict from the outside of the conflict zone. And it's an enormous burden on them because they are carrying the risk for all of us. The videographer we work with is critical to me in particular in terms of trying to convey the gravity, the risks that people are facing in Gaza during this conflict. We have, you know, it's a struggle to bring the human element to our journalism if we can't see it. So working specifically with the videographer allows us to actually beyond just using aid agency footage, which of course is very important, but it allows us to interact with the people that he's videoing. So we actually get to ask questions to be able to verify information. We did a story last week. We were talking about famine where a videographer went to one of the hospitals treating a number of children for malnutrition, and we were able to tell the story of a nine-year-old girl named Mariam. It's so important to be able to show her emaciated frame, the weakness of her voice in answering the questions that he was very delicately putting to her, basically saying she wanted to get better. She was afraid of dying, not just because of the hunger, but because of the war. And he was able to talk to her mother. So we were able to bring that to you solely because of him. And, you know, I know that the more that journalists, the more, you know, the greater the number of journalists being killed in Gaza, the more determined the Palestinian journalists there still alive are to stay and report, despite having to live through those difficult conditions themselves.
SB: Let's look at, at the whole idea of trying to get a ceasefire and ultimately an end to this situation. Qatar and Egypt have put forward a ceasefire proposal that Hamas has reportedly signed on to. Israel has yet to respond. Where do those talks stand and what are the sticking points?
MARGARET EVANS: Well, it’s a proposal based on a six-week ceasefire that would see half the hostages released. There are only 20 Israeli hostages still believed to be alive, and the bodies of 30 others have yet to be returned. And as I said, it's a staged release, which Israel has accepted in the past. But it's, and that's how the hostages that have been released up to this point, that's how it's worked, through these staged releases and various conditions to be met. But Benjamin Netanyahu is now saying it has to be all at once. I think the main sticking point is that Netanyahu said from the start, there can be no end to the war unless Hamas is completely eradicated, while Hamas is saying there can be no release of all the hostages until there is an agreement to an end to the war. And, you know, that's where they're stuck. And there is a difference right now between the head of the military and Mr. Netanyahu, according to Israeli media reports. The head of the IDF thinks this is not something that he should take the deal on the table, particularly because he's decided to expand the war with the ground invasion to take over Gaza City, which the Israeli military says is already underway. It will take months, but that's where Israel's prime minister believes Hamas is operating now. And of course, it would see, you know, the mass displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians again.
SB: And there's pressure inside Israel from the streets, mass protests by Israelis calling for the hostages to be returned and an end to the war. How has the prime minister responded to them?
MARGARET EVANS: Well, as you said, he hasn't responded to, formally to this current deal on the table. And earlier this week, there were these huge demonstrations, again, planned by the families of the hostages themselves, ragged with worry and distress, they tell us, and you can actually see it in their faces, worried that this is the time is running out. If there's going to be a ground invasion into Gaza City, the fear is that the hostages could be killed in the ensuing conflict there, especially given that it would be on the ground, not just the blanketing of airstrikes that we've seen over the past two years. I'm talking to people on the street. They feel helpless, impotent and angry, and partly because they believe that the only reason that Benjamin Netanyahu is refusing to end the war is because he's afraid, this is their belief, they're afraid, he's afraid that if hardline, that hardliners in his cabinet would basically collapse his government. These are hardliners who want to resettle Gaza, take over the occupied West Bank. And the people that I spoke to at the demonstrations this week say that he simply wants to stay in power, and that that's why the war hasn't ended up to now.
SB: And you have been reporting from the occupied West Bank and reporting on the increased violence by Israeli settlers there. What is that situation?
MARGARET EVANS: Well, I think one of the things on this reporting trip that has been most notable compared to a trip I made about a year ago when we were looking at the expansion of settlement outposts, those outposts which are supposedly illegal even under Israeli law, the international community considers all settlements in the occupied territories illegal, but these outposts have been set up, and it's a way that the hardliners in the settlers movement have of expanding, taking their territory and launching increasingly violent attacks against Palestinian herders or farmers or simply, you know, attacking villages where they can find more vulnerable people. And the number of outposts that I've seen on this trip nearly a year later is visibly much, much greater. We visited a village north of Ramallah called al-Mughayyir. And this is a village that, you know, just standing at the foot of the village, I could see three different outposts, plus the settlements beyond them. This is a village where there was an allegation that somebody from, a Palestinian from the village had shot at Israelis somewhere. And the Israeli Defence Forces then came in and destroyed hundreds of olive trees. And the villagers said, you know, they didn't know whether someone had or hadn't shot at Israelis. But they said, we're now suffering from collective punishment imposed by the Israeli Defence Forces. So there's a sense that things are really speeding up, that the hardline settlers who want to take over the occupied territories and annex it see this as their opportunity to do that while everybody is focused on Gaza.
SB: Margaret, thank you for helping us navigate our way through this, this complicated story. Thank you so much for being there.
MARGARET EVANS: Thanks for having me, Susan.
SB: The CBC's senior international correspondent, Margaret Evans, from Jerusalem. The CBC news is next, then, these are anxious financial times for so many in this country, including young people. We're going to talk about how to talk to kids about money. How do you save money? How do you respect money? How do you spend it wisely? In six minutes, the advice financial planner Shannon Lee Simmons wishes she heard as a kid. I'm Susan Bonner, and you are listening to The Current.
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